Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Vicki J. Sapp's avatar

Thanks once again, James, for your "oft was thought, but ne'er so well expressed" commentary. I have long thought that, in terms of any creative art or personally conceived and generated text (what we ask our students to produce in most comp assignments), that "ethical AI use" in an oxymoron. I really appreciate your explaining here the logical, philosophical and truly ethical implications: if you copy-paste AI output or even rely on it to "give you ideas," you are guilty of plagiarism and not even sure against whom or what...

Micheál O'Connell's avatar

Thanks for the provocation. This surely is a debate.

I am more qualified to think about these questions in connection with art history than writing and perhaps different logic applies there. A lot of AI slop is now produced for sure. That is nothing new though. The Scottish Painter Jack Vettriano comes to mind immediately. Penelope Umbrico's work on sunsets was an exposure of more widespread aesthetic habits. Just using randomness as a technique is 'generative' and/or many older and pre-computational strategies employed by the surrealists, say, involved such approaches. Duchamp's early 20th Century gestures were so important in this regard.

The invention of the camera needs to be added to the mix. Here was a machine that's purpose was to permit anyone to capture astonishing images without the old craft skills, time or effort. In art terms - remembering that, like writing, its main ordinary usages are with regard to other realms - photography IS, arguably, 'appropriation'. Ansel Adams did not create the spectacular (more or less emptied) landscapes he captured.

As it happens, generative art using computation is decades old. Even the famous Cybernetic Serendipity exhibition (1968) had plenty of it. How art was defined changed, not only, but partly, because of and together with new technologies. It is no accident that impressionism emerged at around the time of the invention of the camera. Dabs and dashes, it turned out, ironically, could be a superior way of engaging with experience and the other new tech of portable oil paints in tubes permitted plein air activity. The significance of colour, which photography could not do, was amplified. This is not to slip into technological determinism, but is it not true that the typewriter changed poetry and writing generally, thinking of old Marshall McLuhan arguments? What are your views on Kenneth Goldsmiths' work: https://youtu.be/FAJRQJGc7DU ? His Uncreative Writing practice and ideas are important to consider no?

The key question, in my view, has to do with the complex social mechanisms by which selections and decisions are made. One item or activity may be deemed culturally special, and how that comes about at particular times and places is not obvious. Different forces, including irony, are at play.

Excuse typos. Rushing here, on the phone.

2 more comments...

No posts

Ready for more?